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Specialized Stumpjumper FSR 2016 swat door 650b 29 full suspension mountain bike (1)

Of all of the bikes in the Specialized line up, the Stumpjumper is perhaps the most well known. Introduced in 1981 and considered the first production mountain bike, over the years much has changed but the name carries on. Eventually the Stumpjumper lineage grew to include the first full suspension Stumpy, the FSR.

Today, Specialized continues the Stumpjumper FSR blood line with the latest version of their ‘trail legend.’ The previous version of the Stumpy FSR was already an impressive ride – so how do you go about improving it? For Specialized that meant the latest development in their SWAT technology offering a new, fully integrated way to store your flat kit…

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Meant as a happy aggressive trail medium between the Enduro and the Epic, the 2016 Stumpjumper FSR includes a few changes to the geometry to make it even more capable when the trail points down. Built with specific geometry for either 650b or 29″ wheels, the vital measurements now sit at 67/67.5° for the head tube angles and 150/135mm travel along with shorter 420/437mm chainstays (650b/29”). Not yet shown, the FSR mini site also lists 6Fattie versions as a future option.

The suspension continues with their FSR platform, but the bikes gain new RX Trail Tuned rear shocks that have custom volume, compression, and rebound settings for the Stumpjumper. All of the Stumpjumper FSR frames are listed with 142 x 12 rear dropouts regardless of wheel size.

If you’re not one for seat packs, back packs, or fanny packs, the new SWAT door may be of particular interest. No longer just a box built onto the outside of the frame, the SWAT door makes for a useful compartment that will store an extra tube, pumps, and co2 cartridges in a rattle free SWAT wrap. Located under the water bottle cage, the SWAT door also keeps the added weight of tools mounted low on the bike for a better center of gravity.

Other holes in the frame allow for fully internal cable routing with in-molded carbon tubes for guides. Specialized caps off every Stumpjumper FSR with their Command Post IRcc,  wide Traverse rims, and is 2x compatible with the Taco Blade.

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With every complete and frame available in both 650b or 29″, the range is crowned as usual with the Stumpjumper S-Works FSR. Of all five of the different spec levels of the new Stumpjumper, the S-Works is the only level with a difference in price between the wheel sizes which is due to the S-Works 29er being treated to a full Fact 11m Carbon frame. The S-Works 650b on the other hand sees a Fact 10m carbon front triangle and seat stay but uses M5 aluminum for the chainstay.  Priced at $8,900/$8,600 (29/650b), that price nets you a Pike RCT3 Solo Air fork, Custom Fox Float Factory CTD Autosag Kashima shock, and SRAM XX1 drivetrain, XTR Trail brakes, and carbon Roval Traverse SL wheels.

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Step down to the Expert and the price drops to a slightly more attainable $5,900 for both wheel sizes thanks to a Fact 9m carbon frame and M5 alloy rear end. Spec highlights include a Rhockshox Pike RC fork, the same rear shock as the S-Works model, SRAM X1 drivetrain, Shimano XT brakes, and Roval Traverse Alloy wheels.

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The aluminum Stumpjumper FSR Elite comes in at $4,300, but still boasts an impressive build including the Command Post IRcc. The move to M5 alloy instead of carbon means there is no SWAT Door option for the Elite, but most of the other frame features stay the same.

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The last of the carbon Stumpjumper FSRs, the SWAT Door equipped Comp Carbon clicks in at $3,800. As the only carbon model with a 2x drivetrain, the Comp uses a Fact 9M chassis with M5 aluminum rear end and a blend of Shimano and SRAM components for the Drivetrain and brakes.

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The comparative bargain of the group is the $2,900 alloy Comp. The full M5 alloy frame is like the Elite’s but a lower spec keeps the price under three grand.

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Stumpjumper FSR framesets will also be available in both the S-Works and standard Carbon models. The S-Works frame sells for  $4,000/$3,700 (29/650b) thanks to the Fact 11/10m carbon difference, while the Carbon frames are both priced at $3,000. Framesets include rear shock, SWAT Door, “Hella Flush” headset, and Command Post IRcc dropper post.

Stumpjumper FSR 650b Geometry:

Specialized Stumpjumper geometry 650b

Stumpjumper FSR 29 Geometry:

Stumpjumper FSR 29 geometry

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That Guy
That Guy
8 years ago

Here’s a perfect example of why Specialized sucks and is awesome at the same time. Great bike. Incredible spec and geometry, great options, etc. I don’t care about the SWAT or as I call it, if you leave the door open; Sticks Water And Tubes.

On the other hand, why keep calling it 650b? Cmon Specialized. Just cuz y’all are butthurt about Giant and others claiming the now industry-wide STANDARD of a term, it’s confusing on the customer.

Also why does the 29″ version not use Boost148? I thought that it was the supposed perfect hub for a 29″ wheel. If they had gone that route for the 29″ version there would be a lot of story to tell on the sales floor along with more compatibility. Guess we’ll see that on the 2017 version coming soon to a dealer near you!

Just Saying...
Just Saying...
8 years ago

@ That Guy…

Specialized refers to the wheel size as 650B due to the fact that that is the moniker behind the wheel size. It isn’t actually 27.5″ in effective diameter. When comparing bead seat diameters (which directly effects the height range of the tire), 26″ wheels are 559mm, 650B are 584mm, and 700C are 622mm (mind you 29ers are really 700c tires that are MTB height to make them 29″ in outside diameter +/- a bit). So 650B does not split the gap, and are therefore not really 27.5″ in diameter when comparing a 2.0″ wide tire.

Tire measurements get tricky when analyzing width and height and factoring ISO measurement standards.

In summation, Haters gonna hate. I propose a new Specialized slogan,

‘Hate or Die’

wimmy
wimmy
8 years ago

All I can think with the downtube trap door is “you can put your weed in there!” from SNL… anybody?

Andrew Fleming
Andrew Fleming
8 years ago

Yes, wimmy!

satisFACTORYrider
satisFACTORYrider
8 years ago

@wimmy – swat available only in legalized states

That Guy
That Guy
8 years ago

@Just Saying: I am hating, and for good reason. I hate it for the poor Specialized dealers who now have to floor and sell 2015 SJ bikes that haven’t even been delivered, and I hate it for the new consumers who have too many choices to make, aside from the fact that EVERYONE in the industry uses 27.5. Sales guys now have to take the pretentious line of “well, sir or madam, yes it IS a 27.5 wheel, but Specialized calls it a 650b because they’re butt-hurt about someone innovating before they did.” Then those sales guys have to explain about wheel sizes, the + size, then Boost148, which isn’t used on the 29er, yet was touted as the next best thing for 29ers!

And, yes @wimmy. Totally. Storage Weed Air and Tools

Dustin
Dustin
8 years ago

still not sure why they price their s-works frame-only option at about $1000 more than Ibis, pivot and other comparable frames. Guess it includes a dropper, but still . . .

AFS
AFS
8 years ago

The only improvement compared to the previous model I see is the weed storage unit, big deal!

I’ve had the chance to ride the Stumpy 29″ extensively and it has nothing on bike like the Rocky Instinct or the SC Tallboy LT. Well, maybe a bigger marketing budget to get the cycling media praising everything they make, but that’s it.

Regarding the 650b thing, I think that is more accurate than calling it 27.5″, but who cares anyway.

Ilikeicedtea
Ilikeicedtea
8 years ago

@Dustin.

Dude, they use Fact11 Carbon.

RTFA 😉

AFS
AFS
8 years ago

Is the Fact11 carbon $1k better that the one used by Santa Cruz, Ibis, Pivot…, or they are charging you $1k more for the brand logo on the frame?

Craig
Craig
8 years ago

@Just saying. Who uses a 2.0″ tire on a 27.5″ wheeled bike apart from maybe an XC racer. In practical usage terms with 2.25″-2.4″ tires 650b is actually 27.5″. It is this reasoning that 700c wheels are called 29″ for mountain bikes. Using terms such as 26″, 650b and 700c would be confusing for many consumers. In it’s original context which is French made city bikes, 650b is relevant, for mountain bikes it is not.

fast foreward freddy
fast foreward freddy
8 years ago

looks like the marketing team was burning the midnight oil on this monstrosity… #gimmicksareeverything

Eric E. Strava
Eric E. Strava
8 years ago

Props to the big red S for not using a 148 hub on their 29er. That standard is as pointless at the obese tires it was designed for. Unfortunately, I do see that an obese tire version of the Stumpy is on the way, why anyone wants a slower bike is beyond me.

Psi Squared
Psi Squared
8 years ago

It’s probably important to get all upset and panty entangled when thinking and talking about tire sizes. As for customers being faced with, as that guy put it, “too many choices”, I think the customers will manage just fine. It seems commenters on the internet are the only people put out by the variety of tire sizes.

alex
alex
8 years ago

I think it should be called 650b. The term 27.5 is misleading.

Eric Hansen
Eric Hansen
8 years ago

Anyone looking for a 650b bike already knows the other designations. This isn’t an opinion; no one has come into the shop asking for a 27.5″.

Also, no 650b tires actually measure out to 27.5. They’re all more like 28″ to 28.5″.

Matt
Matt
8 years ago

@ThatGuy
As a bike shop employee who sells Specialized, I can assure you none of my customers are confused about the models using the correct terminology for wheel size. The industry standard term since… like… forever. To quote the wheel size king, Sheldon Brown, “I strongly urge readers to resist the foolish jargon[27.5], and to use either the traditional “650B” designation, or, better yet, the internationally-standardized 584 mm designation.”

jimbo rawson
jimbo rawson
8 years ago

650 b is simply stupid. the wheel does not measure 650 either…get over it.

Consumers in good ol Merica start shopping at 12″….16″….20″….24″… 26″….27.5″ and 29″

sure 12″….16″….20″….24″… 26″….650b…. and 29″ makes more since, right?!

Bobby Joe
Bobby Joe
8 years ago

I love this quote: “It’s probably important to get all upset and panty entangled when thinking and talking about tire sizes.”

I also think it is important to also get all upset when thinking and talking about Specialized in general. Especially their decision to make a cool and awesome storage unit inside the (otherwise empty) downtube. If this bike had two water bottle holders I would probably just cry.

Hopefully we can fit a proper triple on this bike. 1x is cool for experienced riders/racers or those with limited grade changes and/or non-marathon distances to cover. But 1x is mainly popular because 2x is so bad (no drive gear means constant chainring changes!). The 2x ring choices are crap — I mean, how many people ride 22, 24, 36, or 38 as their main gear on a 1x?? 22-30-40 Shimano triple is perfect if it works on this bike.

James S
James S
8 years ago

650B refers to a 650mm outside diameter tire with a “B” width. 650mm is equal to 25.6 inches. So 650B is not relevant to mountain biking at all. It just happens to be the historic name for a rim that has a 584mm bead seat diameter. The only number that is consistent is the bead seat diameter anyway, regardless of tire width. All you nitpickers complaining about 27.5 should be consistent and refer to 29ers as 700C. Of course, there isn’t a French size for 26 (559 BSD) so what are you gonna do?

Anthony
Anthony
8 years ago

This^

Eric Hansen
Eric Hansen
8 years ago

I actually refer to 29ers and road bikes as 622, and explain the distinction. Takes about 20 seconds. We don’t sell 26ers any more, because 26 has been dead outside DH bikes for a decade.

JBikes
JBikes
8 years ago

Holy crap.
Does anyone get confused about which bike someone is talking about if they say 27.5 or 650b?
Or 29er? Do you not know they are talking about?
If a salesman says, yeah this glider is 650b, its awesome. Do you think suddenly those 12″ wheels are 650b/27.5/584?

27.5 and 650b are interchangeable and regardless of what they technically mean, everyone on planet earth knows what is meant by them.

Lev
Lev
8 years ago

I wonder if the swat box will upset Airport X-ray scanners, when you fly with your bike? My tactic will be to put some homemade cakes in there for the airport officials, thus getting them on side and ensuring the safe passage of my bike.

Mr. P
8 years ago

This is one of the sadder Bike Rumor threads I’ve seen in a while… If 650B /27.5 nomenclature is all one has to b#tch about, I would call that a win for the bike itself. As all you can focus on, is dumb names rather than real issues, of which there appears to be none pointed out.

internet stoke
internet stoke
8 years ago

67 HTA FTW

muf
muf
8 years ago

just FYI 700mm and other sizes aren’t “french” per se but called the metric system instead.
people using the metric system call mtbs 26, 29ers and road bikes 700cc or 700mm like in the USA.

All of them engineers measure all of these wheels in mm. You know. Metrics.

Craig
Craig
8 years ago

I just came here for the chips and burgers. Now I’m all confused about tires.

Eric Hansen
Eric Hansen
8 years ago

@Mr. P If I had to bitch about something else, i’d bitch that the price of entry for the storage box is $3800. I’d bitch that XTR/XT 2×11 isn’t an option on any bike. I’d whinge that Specialized is taking an ambiguous stance on 148/110.

I’m seeing and riding these Monday, so I may have less or more bitching then.

John Campbell
8 years ago

My original Stump Jumper is still rideable . I’d like to trade it in for a newer model. Which model represents the best”value” for the average rider that won’t be competing?

Eric Hansen
Eric Hansen
8 years ago

@John Campbell – an original 1980’s hardtail? Not a Stumpjumper, really. The line and the sport have evolved several times since the early 80’s. A current SJ hardtail is a pure XC race bike, a SJ FSR is a pure trail bike, and both have a pretty big entry price.

If climbing, or long days in the saddle are your thing, the Crave might do you right. If you want something that can do XC and get a bit rowdy, the Camber is more toward your style. If you live somewhere with more elevation, and you want to drop that elevation as quickly as possible, then the SJ FSR might be what you’re looking for. The aluminum Comp is a good entry level machine. While the groupset is missing all the nice bits from the top end groups, it does have all the _functional_ technology. The tires that come on the Comp are fantastic, and the included dropper seat post is pretty tops. The next step up from the comp adds $1400 to the price tag; that’s a whole other bike!

J
J
8 years ago

John Campbell- The one in your shed.

A Guy
A Guy
8 years ago

650B does measure about 27.5″ with a 2.3 tire. The reason Sheldon Brown and Specialized use 650B rather than 27.5″ is that the 27.5″ designation make it sound like it splits the difference between 26″ and 29″ but it does not. 26×2.3 tires measure out around 26.8″ in diameter. So even though 650B is basically 27.5″ it is not splitting the difference. 650 is basically just a little bit bigger than 26″ and is why 26″ is being replaced by 650B.

Tacoma_d
Tacoma_d
8 years ago

I rode the new SJ FSR at a dealer demo day this past Thursday and I can attest that it is a huge improvement over the prior 29″ FSR. No Brain shock alone is a big change. Much shorter chain / seat stays allow this bike to handle much better. If you are looking for an all day bike this is one bike to seriously consider. As far as consumer confusion I have not seen that be an issue at all. Everyone is capable of educating themselves and shop staff don’t seem to balk at a quick primer about the pros and cons of each. Good job by Specialized on this bike1

andres
andres
8 years ago

Adding a cut out in the down tube for a “swat” is the dumbest idea ever. I own the previous version of the sj and it is a flawless design. Adding an unnecessary hole in the downtube adds weight, creates a serious potential weak spot, I’m sure it will just be an overall pain, water…stuff getting dropped inside ect…..the lesson here is “if it isn’t broke you don’t have to fix it” we don’t need another gimmick…(ever heard of a seat bag!!!) Too bad for Speciallized. I will have to look elsewhere for my next sj replacement.

benzo
benzo
8 years ago

Heavier and heavier: in a little with everything getting bigger a trail bike will be 30 pounds. As far as wheels: the correct name would be 27. But then the idiocy of switching from 26 to 27 (and add 200-350 grams in the process) would be too apparent, wouldn’t it?

Bazingi
Bazingi
8 years ago

“@Dustin: still not sure why they price their s-works frame-only option at about $1000 more than Ibis, pivot and other comparable frames. Guess it includes a dropper, but still . . .”

Always amazes me that bike dorks didn’t take Economics 101 in grade school.

They charge what the market will pay. In case you didn’t know, Specialized can’t make S-Works bikes quickly enough to satisfy demand. They’d be bigger if Merida could run their assembly lines Apple-quick.

The sentiment about what customers think about the bike industry is that it should be one big non-for-profit kumbaya peace pipe circle, with free over-hoppy IPAs every Friday evening at your local LBS.

This is an industry, in case you forgot.

craigsj
craigsj
8 years ago

26ers don’t really measure 26″ either, they measure 26.5″ with the same tires that 650b measures 27.5″ yet no one gets upset with that inaccuracy. So why did the industry insist on the “.5” in 27.5? So that it would seem to be right in between 26 and 29, that’s why. It’s a lie meant to deceive customers, that’s why many insist on calling it 650b or 584, they don’t wish to participate in Kirk Pacenti’s BS.

Kernel Flickitov
Kernel Flickitov
8 years ago

If you jump a stump on a different bike that’s grounds for a lawsuit.

CalliforniaCondor
CalliforniaCondor
8 years ago

I’m guessing Spesh was already in pre-production and it was too late to switch the new Stumpy to the Boost standard.

The 27.5+/6Fattie version is boost from what I read. So it seems that model will be the one to buy as in theory you will be able to use 29er or 27.5+ plus wheels. Unless I’m not understanding the whole boost thing.

satisFACTORYrider
satisFACTORYrider
8 years ago

Let’s all stfu and ride

thesteve4761
thesteve4761
8 years ago

Specialized did something? Oh my god it is great! Oh my god I hate it! AHHHHH They sue people, ahhh they make new shtuff, ahhh they innovate, ahhhh they are only in it for the money! Please, post more specialized product, if only for the inane BS that is guaranteed to follow.

COry
COry
8 years ago

@Robo Yes, thank you!

Mason
Mason
8 years ago

Has anybody being critical of this bike ever actually ridden one?

hjb
hjb
8 years ago

Is the SWAT system (someone humorously coined it TWAT on pinkbike) a bit Fred-like- maybe. But overall some solid bikes.
My beef is pricing in Australia- AUD$4499 for the alloy base model, up to AUD$11999 for the S-Works version. I just find this pretty hard to swallow.

J
J
8 years ago

12k in Australia builds you a yeti or sc with pretty much any spec you want.

Pablo Escobar
Pablo Escobar
8 years ago

It’s hilarious how many haters are in the mtb forum world. I’m sorry you have all been burnt so badly by the companies, the bike shop, the Internet, the grinch, the bfg or whoever (and please don’t correct my grammar)! Maybe go ride your bike and de-hate yourselves! Ha ha!!!!! Or maybe take up road racing. Or if stuffs too expensive, take up swimming or tiddlywinks. Jokers.

1less austinite
1less austinite
8 years ago

Looks good, im still holding out for the new Niner 650b.

sss
sss
8 years ago

@J – 12k in Australia buy’s you a KTM 450 SX-F.

I know which is better value and actually has 12K worth of technology in it.

As they say, “a fool and his money are soon parted”.

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