Spy Shots! Totally Revamped Campagnolo Group Spotted at Giro d’Italia

prototype Campagnolo Super Record road bike drivetrain group spotted on Colnago bikes at 2014 Giro d-Italia

Spotted aboard Team Europcar’s Colnago C60 road bikes at the Giro d’Italia, this wild looking new Campagnolo group (presumably Super Record) is a major departure from their heretofore traditional designs.

It’s not just the asymmetric, four pronged crankarm for the drive side that’s so different, it’s the chainrings, front derailleur and rear derailleur, too. Shift through for closer up pics and speculation…

prototype Campagnolo Super Record road bike drivetrain group spotted on Colnago bikes at 2014 Giro d-Italia

Visually, the parallelogram linkages’ zig-zag shape is the most striking change. The other noticeable difference between all of Campy’s current rear derailleurs is the move to an internally set rear linkage for the parallelogram. Currently, the outer plate runs over the B-knuckle, with the pinned pivot visible. Here, they’re moving to a larger B-knuckle that captures the parallelogram’s rear pivot inside. We’re guessing this will make the part much stiffer and lead to crisper shifting. Both knuckles look to be UD carbon, but the pulley cage seems to be metal for now.

prototype Campagnolo Super Record road bike drivetrain group spotted on Colnago bikes at 2014 Giro d-Italia

The cranks could be Campy’s departure from the standard 5-bolt chainring pattern to a proprietary, asymmetric design. The chainrings are also new, with the big ring being a bit deeper than current gen Super Record…likely to increase stiffness since there are fewer attachment points.

The front derailleur, somewhat cut off in this shot provided by an anonymous tipster, has a much taller arm off the top, similar to current Dura-Ace, providing more leverage for easier shift feel at the front and, likely, faster and more direct feeling upshifts. That could mean a complete redesign of the levers, too, in order to accommodate a change in cable pull.

Of course, all this is speculation, but with parts being used in a UCI race, we predict things aren’t too far off. When we spotted the limited edition Super Record RS earlier this year, Campy’s reps told us more new stuff would be coming later this year.

Comments

Tom - 05/13/14 - 9:06am

The crank…say it ain’t so.

bikermark - 05/13/14 - 9:39am

@bikerumor: all Campy cranks use a proprietary BCD. 135 for standard and 110/112 for compact. It makes buying cross rings an expensive proposition.

Damn that crank is ugly! It resembles that carbon monstrosity Shimano put out for DA 7800.

Bill - 05/13/14 - 10:05am

As a long time campy fan.. the “follow shimano’s lead” of the last few years is pretty disappointing. First the EPS group, which was twice the price, and worked half as well, now they aren’t even trying to innovate. “Oh wow, Shimano’s new 4 arm thing DOES work better. Put Unidirectional swirl carbon on it and clone it. ” “Hey, more leverage on the front derailleur IS better.”

I think at some point we hit a line where engineering beat out craftsmanship, and campy didn’t get the memo till too late. Now they’re scrambling.

Ed R - 05/13/14 - 10:14am

Can’t say I agree with the EPS working “Half as well” comment but that crank is fugly as hell!

dkrenik - 05/13/14 - 10:42am

“…likely to increase stiffness since there are fewer attachment points.”
Explain that line of reasoning to me. Fewer attachment points does not = greater rigidity.

i - 05/13/14 - 10:58am

Ok, so 4-arm crank, and… what? One might say they copied Shimano, another way of looking at it is that there is only so many ways to do the same thing, and if one works better than the others, that’s naturally the way everyone will do it.

It seems like eventually, there is going to be a limit to how far a multi-speed chain drive transmission can go. Clearly we’re at the point where the improvements are slight, I believe eventually there will come a point where they are non-existent (if we aren’t there already). But of course the industry needs something new every couple years; that party has to end at some point.
Maybe a new wheel size will make 700c obsolete soon.

nightfend - 05/13/14 - 11:41am

Well the move to disc brakes will get everyone to buy new bikes for a few years. Then we have wireless electronic bike groups that will make a big push in the coming years. After all that, maybe they can start fiddling with 27.5 wheels and fatter tires for road bikes.

Tyler - 05/13/14 - 11:45am

Dkrenik – it means that since there are only four attachment points rather than five, the rings might need to be stiffer to make up for it. So, these are deeper, which theoretically provides a bigger cross section of material to create a stiffer shape. Think of how a deeper rim can be stiffer than a shallow box section rim.

EATRIDEGROW - 05/13/14 - 11:51am

YAY FOR NEW BCDSSSS!!!!!!

Andrew - 05/13/14 - 12:31pm

Thank goodness I did not put a deposit on a C60 a month ago. Colangos truly are bikes for grandpas…

satisFACTORYrider - 05/13/14 - 1:11pm

there are no bikes for grandpas only grandpas on bikes

adam - 05/13/14 - 1:13pm

Dear Campy: Record 10 was perfect.

Lets be honest here, multi-speed drivetrains reached their apex of form, function, and cost with 7800. Everything else is just the industry trying to squeeze out money from customers by offering marginally better products at exponentially higher prices.

This Campy grouppo reminds me of some has-been model who used to be on top. At age 34, as her career was starting to decline, she put out a sex tape. She was relevant for 2 more years. Now after 12 years of failed publicity stunts and minor plastic surgeries she got a big surgery that went horribly wrong. She still thinks shes gorgeous, but she is actually objectively hideous, out of money, and unable to find work doing anything.

Dude - 05/13/14 - 1:53pm

Campy’s finished. They are on the decline and no longer relevant to the advancement of bicycle technology. It’ll take a while for them to fully unwind, but it’s practically irreversible at this point.

.Joeri. - 05/13/14 - 1:59pm

I hope it’s a pre-production crank, but I doubt it…

Rico - 05/13/14 - 2:07pm

That crank/spider is so gross. It’s like some sort of Frankenstein love child of FSA and Shimano. So much of the beauty of Campy was at that very spot – the BB. spider, the beatiful crank arms and rings…. this is sad to see.

WUT - 05/13/14 - 2:08pm

I have never, ever, ever seen such a massive amount of expertise from a bunch of dbags sitting behind a computer who think they have an ounce of knowledge about what is happening in the industry. You people see a few spy shots and from there, you decide you know everything about everything? Get a life, ya bums!

Tom - 05/13/14 - 2:12pm

I like Campagnolo. I don’t have the breadth of history on my side to be emotionally attached to any groupset year after year. I researched a bunch of groups but ended up prefering the ergonomics of the hoods for my hand size, the tactile feeling/feedback of the shifts, the thumb-levers, the weight and the aesthetics (graphics could be more subtle, 10 speed was much better in this department). Ultimately I made an education decision that I am very happy with.

From my observations: it seems to me that despite the functional differences between Campagnolo and Shimano, they are in two very different camps visually. The look of Dura Ace (specifically the cranks) I don’t find very appealing but others really like it, which is fine. I think early Shimano groups like 7700 look fantastic though, just not the last few generations. It just doesn’t seem like a smart move for Campagnolo to go this way; it just gives their products less differentiation from their biggest competitor. So much of Campagnolo is style and panache; making this futuristic crank surely can’t be a wise direction? They are doing a pretty good job right now making use of modern materials like carbon but maintaining some classics shapes and design cues. So as someone who really values the style and aesthetics of Campagnolo (in addition to the performance), I hope this is not the new direction. Engineering/performance isn’t always worth sacrificing other attributes for.

Wolfie - 05/13/14 - 2:30pm

Smokescreen? Diversionary tactic? Clever marketing? Stick with me here and pretend you’re Campy…

You, a) know that you’ve got the “purists”/retro-grouches in your camp and that they love you for your style,
b) know that you’ve got to work hard to get them on 11s because they love you for what you did with 10s and they don’t want to upgrade,
c) incrementally improve your FD and RD for the new year and leak photos with an abomination of a crank that’s similar to your top competitor,
d) at the last minute, launch your new 11s group with a “traditional” (but hopefully improved) crank and watch as your core market breathes a sigh of relief and gratefully buys your new 11s stuff.

Easy, peasy.

spokey - 05/13/14 - 2:43pm

I like the crank design and the derailleurs look interesting indeed. I am anxious to see how the finished pieces look.

Why don’t we wait and see how the final iteration comes out on weight and performance before jumping to conclusions about “me too” product?

C60 a bike for grandpas? Sheesh. Ever ridden a C59?

Matthew - 05/13/14 - 2:54pm

Tom: “Engineering/performance isn’t always worth sacrificing other attributes for.”

Seriously? Someone’s drank the Campy Kool-aid…

Moist Mouse - 05/13/14 - 3:01pm

Stupid companies trying to improve their products….

anonymous - 05/13/14 - 3:49pm

I wish Campy would have chosen to copy the Deda Locomotiv.

That way they could have had a sharp looking crank that wasn’t Shimano and still pretend to have some degree of Italianess.

I get the FD, people were swapping out Campy FDs for Shimano FDs. vertical arm FD is the future for mech no that the triple is completely dead.

With the RD it at least looks like they’re trying to do something besides uglify it.

brandon - 05/13/14 - 3:50pm

i don’t mind the cranks at all i think the group looks good haha but i just ride bikes what do i really know…

Tom - 05/13/14 - 4:34pm

@Matthew, there is a balance as with all things. Can you find a PC laptop that performs faster than a Macbook, of course. But that works if your only basis for deciding is founded in performance (nothing wrong with that). Fortunately there are additional reasons to buy a product, such as style and aesthetics. Weigh those things in and you may come to a difference conclusion. There is no kool aid drinking. If they released a crank that looked like that I wouldn’t buy it on style alone. Now if if I was a Campy kool-aid drinker than I’d be buying it just because.

anonymous - 05/13/14 - 8:12pm

Every company does styling to their parts. Have you compared DA 9000 prototypes to production? The styling was also virtually unchanged for Ultegra 6800, but they went through a process of uglification for 5800.

The styling on these cranks is terrible.

Champs - 05/13/14 - 11:46pm

Campagnolo, I remember those seatposts. Is that one of those nostalgic brand names importers license to rebadge generic Chinese components?

I hope I’m kidding, but it does seem like Microshift is taking this business seriously enough that this could be prophetic. Wall Street probably would have merged the two by now to get more Microshift in the aftermarket and Camp(y/a[g]) in OE.

Dillonzo - 05/14/14 - 2:32am

Campy is horrible. This looks like garbage. Never liked the thumb shifters either. Throw this out along with Shimano and that Microshift joke. Stick with SRAM–works better, feels better, is lighter, and actually looks nice.

TT - 05/14/14 - 9:06am

Take it easy Dillozno.

Campy is great. This looks like super product. Always liked the thumb shifters too. Throw SRAM out along with Shimano and that Microshift joke. Stick with Campagnolo –works better, feels better, is lighter, and actually looks nice.

Psi Squared - 05/14/14 - 12:38pm

I’d have it on my bike, especially if it performs as the Campy I’ve used has. I’m more interested in exactly how performance has changed in the RD and FD. Granted, BikeRumoer Comment Section experts will claim they know (based on their voluminous experience with Campy), but I’d rather hear about the performance changes from more reputable, reliable, less angry, and actual intelligent sources, like Campy or BikeRumor.

The Guy - 05/14/14 - 4:07pm

TT & PSI Squared, thank you for your intelligence and for proving that not all Bikerumor commenters are morons.

Geppettos - 05/14/14 - 5:34pm

Give it a chance, I’m not a fan of the crank but lets see what the finished product looks like. Personal preference rules here. Thumb shifter took some getting used to but couldn’t ride with out it now. I’d like to see Campy upgrade their BORA’s to offer a Full Carbon Clincher deep section wheel……. Colnago is a Grampa’s bike?????? I wouldn’t ride any thing but Colnago. But then again I’m 50. :o)

Mike - 05/14/14 - 11:58pm

Sodadad and WonderBoy are gonna have a tough time lightening that rear derailleur.

pantani - 05/15/14 - 8:57am

All shimano cranks have an attachment like 30 years ago.Shimano had the clothesline in front of the handlebars for many years.Campa EPS has motors with ironless rotor worldwide patented and is the lightest.

Arlo - 05/15/14 - 9:44pm

I love campy but it looks like they are trying to hard” Fugly”

Chris - 05/16/14 - 6:04pm

@nightfend:
“After all that, maybe they can start fiddling with 27.5 wheels and fatter tires for road bikes.”

Already been done. 650b (aka 27.5) was a road bike wheel standard DECADES before mountain bikes came on the scene. It was a pretty common size on French touring and randonneur bikes. My current road bike rolls on 650bx42mm road tires and they’re fantastic, especially on long rides and crappy roads.

Don Feen - 05/17/14 - 12:35pm

If you think that crank looks ugly now, wait until you see it rotating at 80 rpm. It will look like Biopace.

mudrock - 05/17/14 - 11:44pm

Can’t understand why everyone thinks that crank is ugly. To me the ugliest cranks out there are Shimano’s. My fav group is Sram so I’m neutral here.

Quarterjack - 05/19/14 - 8:33am

My beloved Campagnolo really do try my loyalty sometimes (not that I’d really go anywhere else). I could live with the cranks but the chainrings are too angular with that ‘stepped’ profile. They should stick to something a little more like the last of the Record 10 speed group’s chainrings in shape, obviously redesigned for 4 bolt. If all else fails I could always buy a Fulcrum carbon chainset…

Heffe - 05/21/14 - 1:32pm

Stuff looks interesting. I hope they don’t mess with the shifters too much as they are just right.

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