Mavic “Studying” Road Disc Brake Wheels with Felt, Others

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Perhaps you noticed those as-yet-and-still-unannounced Mavic Aksium disc brake wheels on the new Felt F4X cyclocross bike. They’re certainly not a production model and, in fact, may have surprised even a few Mavic folks with their attendance at Sea Otter.

According to Mavic’s PR man Zack Vestal, the brand is testing Aksium Disc wheels with a few bicycle manufacturers to study demand. While we’d say it’s a foregone conclusion they’ll have them eventually, Vestal says “Mavic is working with a few OEM partners to assess the potential of select road or cross disc wheel models. Our product managers are always advancing wheel development in consideration of the needs of cyclists at every level.”

He added that it’s not a surprise to see things start with the Aksium line as it’s a popular OE price point model. We’ve heard Mavic has a few good sized announcements coming this year, so perhaps we’ll see something sooner rather than later.

Comments

Matt - 04/21/14 - 2:22pm

Let’s hope they beef up the internal rim-width too; but since they’re Mavic I’ll keep my expectations low.

cxdude - 04/21/14 - 2:47pm

I don’t know why Mavic is so shy when it comes to cross. You’d think they would have at least 1 or 2 tubular or tubeless disk options by now. They’re a little behind.

lars - 04/21/14 - 3:27pm

I think they’ll mill the internal rim-width wider in between the spokes ;-)

The red decals look hot in combination with the red details on the frame!

ChrisC - 04/21/14 - 6:20pm

Mavic were cutting edge (maybe) back in the ’80s and ’90s, but they’re being left behind by… everyone. Yes, the rims are too narrow by today’s standards, but let’s not forget:

The Aksiums are too heavy, the Ksyrium aluminum spokes break, the RSYS is an exploding joke of a wheelset, and the freehubs are designed to fail before you have a chance to wear out the crappy hubs!

I cannot express how little I care about what Mavic is doing…

I mean, I care enough to be a bitchy little troll, but that’s the extent of it.

k - 04/21/14 - 8:04pm

ChrisC made the exact same post I did. Junk wheels! I love their shoes though!

WV Cycling - 04/21/14 - 9:31pm

Well, maybe that was a bit too tough on the guy. Still, don’t trust him.

halfwheel - 04/22/14 - 12:11am

Not sure what the heck is Mavic “studying”, but they already have 700c disc. It’s their Crossride 29er wheels. Using a pair of Crossride 29er disc wheels with 28c road tires on a 2012 Tricross disc for about 2 years without issues.

Oh, the 29er Crossride has a nice “wide” internal rim width when used with road tires AND its lighter than Askiums.

halfwheel - 04/22/14 - 12:13am

I riding on a pair of crossmax 29er, not crossrides. doh…

Karel - 04/22/14 - 6:08am

@ChrisC A bit harsh there don’t you think?
The aksium wheels are awsome for the price here in Northern Europe. They have gotten a lot lighter the last 4 years.

I have a ton of km’s on Mavic wheels with Alu spokes over the past few years and have yet to have one of them break. (175 pounds, 23.000+km)
Haven’t had a single customer on Ksyrium SL break his spokes while riding normally on crappy potholed roads.

I’ll grant you the R-sys wheels… the first few versions sucked the big one. No mather how much money they throw at them, nobody will trust them after what happened. Although I know someone who just completed Paris Roubaix on R-sys wheels.

Their MTB wheels desperatly need some wider rims though…

Brodie - 04/22/14 - 6:34am

@ChrisC- not my experience with Mavic. 11k old Speedcity’s & 14 year old Crossride’s with many many miles and not a day’s worth of shit. I train and race on RSYS and same story. Have you owned Mavic’s or are you just rehashing what you read somewhere?

Wilco - 04/22/14 - 6:57am

Mavic Speedcity…..

ChrisC - 04/22/14 - 10:49am

@Brodie – Totally my own experience plus first hand witnessing of friends having failures. I had 2nd gen Ksyriums where I trashed 3 freehubs in 12,000 miles (two bushing failures and one cassette thread failure despite torquing to spec) and I have – on more than one occasion – been on a ride when someone cracks a Ksyrium spoke.

Maybe we ride way rougher roads than a lot of people or are particularly hard on equipment (no real clydesdales in our group though) or maybe we’re just really REALLY unlucky, but I won’t use Mavic again.

Mavic Zack - 04/22/14 - 12:09pm

All – this is Zack from Mavic. I’ve joined conversations here and there on Tyler’s site, on weightweenies.com, on roadbikereview.com, and on a few others. I’m the communications manager who is quoted in the story above. I’m happy to engage in constructive, civil dialogue regarding our products.

I have no doubt that some people have had less than positive experiences on some of our products. This can be the case for any manufacturer of any item. Sometimes, something goes wrong, it doesn’t work, it fails prematurely, and a person has a bad experience. Mavic fully understands the resulting frustration, and we work constantly to address those cases. Our USA service center is now turning repairs in less than 48 hours. We’re also doing more frequent and more detailed tech training for our dealers. Proper maintenance is key to product longevity (especially for freehubs) and we want to help everyone achieve the best long-term performance from their products. Finally, we keep detailed records, we test extensively, and we analyze returns and warranty claims, all in an effort to improve everything we make.

Looking to the positive side, we greatly appreciate the positive comments from those who have had good experiences. Many, many people have had good experiences and our goal is to ensure everyone has a good experience. Our mission is to combine performance and reliability, never sacrificing one for the other.

Finally, regarding the Aksium disc wheel in particular. The internal width on this wheel is in fact 17mm. Mavic is particularly concerned with maintaining ETRTO standards for the sake of safety and tire bead security. This is why we’re cautious about mimicking the manufacturers of over-wide rims that are so popular at the moment. However, we’re fully aware of the development of cyclist’s preferences in cycling including the trend toward wide rims and disc brakes. So, our developers are finding solutions that we can be confident will be safe and reliable.

ChrisC – I’m sure this won’t change your mind, but I want to assure you and any others who are not confident that we’re working to earn back your trust.

Best regards and happy rides – zack

MavicAllrightByMe - 04/22/14 - 4:17pm

From my experience–which is significant but admittedly less than that of full-time dealers and mechanics–I would vouch for Zack Vestal’s comments above that Mavic USA provides excellent customer service. They support their dealers and end-customers very well. In my book, that counts for a lot when freehub bushings wear, axles strip, spokes break, etc.

From what I have experienced myself, seen of others, and heard from LBSs, Mavic USA strives to get their customers back on the road when failures occur, or even when products succumb to normal wear & tear… even on products 15 years old and long out of production.

(That said, I sure would like for them to produce wider road rims and road tubeless. Mavic’s entry into road tubeless would possibly represent a watershed moment for the technology…)

nightfend - 04/23/14 - 5:28pm

I’ve had good luck with my Mavic wheels. Ridden thousands of miles on each set. I have 2010 Cosmic Carbone SLs, 2012 Ksyrium Elites and 2009 Ksyrium Elites. No issues whatsoever with the hubs on any of these sets of wheels and the Ksyriums see substantial bad weather during the winter.

I will say this to Mavic. I don’t plan on buying any more Mavic wheels until they come out with a wider rim. Sorry, but you guys really are missing the boat on this one.

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