Video: President of SRAM, Stan Day Addresses Road Hydraulic Brake Recall

Broadcasting a similar message to the letter that was released earlier in the week, SRAM’s president Stan Day covers the bases in this quick video. As a reminder, if you are affected by the recall, make sure to register on the recall website to stay up to date on the progress.

Comments

mike - 12/18/13 - 2:32pm

You Say “We will do Anything to regain your trust, business and respect.” I’ll Take an XX1 Groupo and a night with three high end escorts and a bag of blow!

muf - 12/18/13 - 2:33pm

I’m with mike on this haha :)
or in fact, either one or the other :P

MikeC - 12/18/13 - 2:47pm

Hey Stan, I know there have been issues with SRAM hydraulic brakes and I hear that you will be making the Elixirs better and more effective while in the meantime releasing road brake hydraulics which should be fantastic right out the box, seeing as how problems with Avid brakes have been legion. Wait, hang on… really?… this is about the newly released road brakes? Uh… Well… don’t know what to say at this point…

Insult to Injury - 12/18/13 - 2:49pm

Impressive video to his customers. Specialized should hire this guy for PR.

JeffE - 12/18/13 - 3:00pm

…in other words, “Please don’t go buy Shimano brakes when they are released.”

CXisfun - 12/18/13 - 3:03pm

I’ve been vocal about the SRAM hydro road debacle, and I think it’s outrageous this is happening, but this is a solid step to take. Too late, of course, but at least an attempt to do the right thing.

rick - 12/18/13 - 3:26pm

Here what should be done. Free mechanical brakes until they get the hydros working. Then they get to keep both sets for their trouble.

Champs - 12/18/13 - 3:33pm

I don’t even care what he says, I just hope the first 15 seconds are enough to make people stop pronouncing the “invisible” H in SRAM.

OnePercenter - 12/18/13 - 3:50pm

Those free mechanical brakes would also require free mechanical shifters of the non hydro variety.

Freddy - 12/18/13 - 4:02pm

High Profile Bikes at High Profile Dealers gets Stan Day out from behind his desk. Low profile bikes from low profile dealrrs can continue to suck it with relentless elixir problems.

R0b0tAt0ms - 12/18/13 - 4:13pm

@ Champs – AMEN dude! I have never understood why so many people throw that H in there.

topcheese - 12/18/13 - 4:20pm

I said it before, but with naughty language.
http://lubeachainbicycles.blogspot.com/2013/11/dick-breaks.html

tirider - 12/18/13 - 4:26pm

wait, it this not a video about the 1976 Campy seatpost!

Nightfend - 12/18/13 - 4:40pm

Well this sucks. My Giant TCX is effectively wall art at this point until they come out with revised brakes. And no, mechanical replacements won’t work as the hydraulic shifter brake levers would have to be replaced as well.

härbert - 12/18/13 - 4:46pm

please register imediately so we can sue you if you sue us…?

dk - 12/18/13 - 4:52pm

I’m not sure if anyone of you have called sram or called a dealer, but Sram is giving Sram Red shifters and BB7 Ti, Calipers to all who have been affected. I think that a pretty good deal in the interim, until they get this all sorted out. But hey if you don’t like it

nightfend - 12/18/13 - 4:54pm

DK – No one has given me any Red shifters or BB7 brakes as replacements. In fact my local bike shop didn’t even know about the recall as they are a Giant retailer and Giant had not officially recognized the recall yet.

Jacob - 12/18/13 - 4:57pm

Having just ridden with a buddy today who just shelled out over £5000 for a new 2014 Cervelo r5 equipped with SRAM hydraulic brakes I feel peoples pain. He is lucky enough that he has other bikes that he can ride in the mean time (like his winter bike) but to be told that your large investment (these items didn’t make it onto cheap bikes) is out of commission for an unknown time I don’t feel is good enough. It’s a sincere apology and probably not more that they can do about it but I really hope that people will be compensated very well. I do feel that there was a bit of a race on to get to market as quickly as possible considering that Shimano was also releasing a disc brake that maybe they cut a few corners and we the consumer are paying for it. Please don’t let your customers do your R&D especially as this fault can be life threatening if failure occurs.

dk - 12/18/13 - 5:00pm

@nightfend- I am a dealer and a lot of brands haven’t recognized the recall. I called Sram directly to get to the bottom of this, and this is what I was told. And I have 3 bikes on my floor that are affected. And Sram is sending those parts. Just tell your stall to call SRAM. Thats what they are there for.

Kenny - 12/18/13 - 5:20pm

Local bike shops are going to get boned on this. It’s going to be around 8 hours of shop time to go back and forth with SRAM on the phone, uninstall the old hydros, reinstall the mech brakes and mech levers, uninstall the mech, install new hydros. This is optimistic on time too. Factor in a complete drivetrain setup each go around. God forbid the bike has internal routing. Don’t forget about cutting lines and re wrapping bars.

SRAM should cut a check to the shop for $50 hr/ labor rate x8 hrs per bike. aka $400.

I already get boned once a week on elixir warranties.

Guess what SRAM – throwing a chain at me for my trouble is not going to cut it any more. I’m sick of cleaning up your crap and taking the financial hit at the shop.

SomeFawkingguy - 12/18/13 - 5:32pm

Sram red shifters are not going to do me any good unless they are 10 speed shifters.

DANIEL - 12/18/13 - 5:40pm

SRAM is a sinking ship!

CXisfun - 12/18/13 - 6:17pm

Preach on Kenny, couldn’t agree more.

typx - 12/18/13 - 7:27pm

1:03 – “Bad part which was generated from an unapproved process change by one of our parts suppliers.”

Translation: It had nothing to do with SRAM. It was totally someone else’s fault and we are just the poor victims of some mean ol’ supplier.

*Cough* Passing the buck. *Cough*

Matt - 12/18/13 - 7:54pm

I had the Juicy Ultimates on my 2009 Sworks and they never worked. I had to replace them with XTRs. I then but a 2012 Remedy 9.9 with XX brakes. They did not work (ie. turkey garbles so loud it made my friends not want to ride with me, not to mention that some times they would seize up but other times I would squeeze them and there would be not resistance or breaking power at all). SRAM acknowledged there were problems with the 2012 XX brakes (there was never a recall however), and gave me a new pair of 2013 XX. These did the same things and so I bought XTRs. That is a major cost for something that I should have never had to buy.

It is my mission to save others from not using their brakes. I am happy to see companies like Pivot and Santa Cruz only offer Shimano brakes on all their builds regardless if they have other SRAM components.

jonny - 12/18/13 - 8:36pm

I work at a shop with a few of these bikes. They’re handling this awesome. Obviously, it sucks but I’m impressed with how they’re handling it. Props sram keep it up (for the most part)

bin judgin - 12/18/13 - 8:40pm

8 Hours? Are you serious? 2 minutes with cutters and a 5mm and the shifters & hydro brakes should be off the bike. 20 minutes to route hoses & cables, and cut the brake lines. 30+ minutes for bleeds, 15 minutes to set up the derailleurs, and you should be nearing completion.

This shouldn’t be over a 2 hour job and that’s for a slow worker.

bin judgin - 12/18/13 - 8:42pm

Like no doubt this is an ABSOLUTELY EPIC misshap by SRAM, but if you are taking an ENTIRE workday to route the hoses for one bike, you should be fired as a bike mechanic.

Daniel - 12/18/13 - 9:10pm

KENNY,
Amen.. Can’t tell you how much free labor we had to give at my shop because this company’s faulty components.

andy - 12/18/13 - 9:25pm

@bin judgin
please run shift cables/housing and brake lines on a frame with all internal routing in 20 min for me. got a few s-works frames for you to do in 67(+) min.

Brattercakes - 12/18/13 - 10:00pm

Keep it simple. Keep it mechanical.

Kyle G - 12/18/13 - 10:46pm

Hey Bin Judgin. You are insane. If you think that a skilled mechanic can replace Hydro stuff with cable stuff in 20 min, you must be high as a [deleted] kite. And yes, the shop I work at has had to sit on the phone for many an hour already getting information/products in line for customer bikes that are effected by this, not to mention the 20+ bikes in inventory we’ll have to sort out. So all in all SRAM needs to make good on this in a big way, not just free product, but an actual pay out for all of the time we’ll invest in making this right.

sofaking_bob - 12/18/13 - 11:00pm

+1 to Bin Judgin.

It absolutely does not take 8 hours to run cables and housing, even internally routed on a bike. If it takes more than 2 hours in a shop, you’re either doing it wrong, or you’re smoking WAY too much weed AND you’re doing it wrong.

I’ve run service departments for many years, and I know how much time it takes to do this work. Running cables and housing, mounting the new brakes, and getting everything adjusted is an hour. Stripping the old parts off is about 15 minutes, and re-wrapping handlebars is maybe 5 minutes. That’s being generous. At home, without any distractions, I can do a job like that in an hour. In a shop where you have customers, phone calls, and other mechanics to keep track of,

Work smarter. Run cable inner housing along all of the shift cables BEFORE you pull them out of the frames to help guide the new cables through, use a sharpened, hook-bent spoke to help you fish the end of the new brake cable out of the top tube. Seriously, I know it’s a drag, but just shut up and do the job. Stop standing around the shop flailing your arms around complaining about how much it sucks that SRAM screwed up, and just get it done.

Personally, I’ve got very little love for SRAM products. Grip shifters work well. XX1 is a good idea, and one of their best product lines to date. It’s well thought out, it fills a need. I just wish it wasn’t so expensive, and didn’t require a special freehub body. Their road shifters feel clunky and cheap in my hands compare to Shimano and Campy. Don’t even get me started on Avid brakes and Rock Shox. I’ve had to replace so many brakes, air spring assemblies and damper assemblies than I care to recount. SRAM’s worst offense is rushing products to market without adequate testing just to beat the other guys to the punch. Shimano is not without their fault in the warranty/recall arena (M435 brakes a few years ago, 105 double/triple shifters the year after that), but they definitely do not have as many issues as SRAM.

greg - 12/18/13 - 11:43pm

@reynard2ki,
im only speculating, but it might be because this article is directly related to a particular sram part sucking. the zerogravity article is just about their reduced backlog (because nobody wants to deal with him or his brakes anymore) and new colors.
let’s see if this one squeezes through…

bin judgin - 12/19/13 - 12:44am

Thank you to sofaking_bob for making me convinced atleast ONE bike mechanic or industry person actually posts on this website.

Grant - 12/19/13 - 12:56am

As far as Avid brakes are concerned, I am still a skeptic. As far as the video response, I am impressed. He owned it. That said, owning it requires physical evidence and follow up. Time will tell. I am personally less concerned about the individual consumer than I am the shop staff and how this affects the shops bottom line. I hope the physical follow through for the affected shops is equal…or at least close to the execution of the video apology. The reality is that until things go wrong, one can not show their worth.

gravity - 12/19/13 - 1:29am

@Champs – What’s even worse is the dreaded and popular “S-Ram”

Mindless - 12/19/13 - 1:35am

No reason to post, as anything critical of SRAM will get deleted anyway.

slamman - 12/19/13 - 1:51am

I’m a mechanic with 35 years spannering and love SRAM brakes in all forms! they make us lots of money, please make sure you fit them so we can make money fixing them and fitting proper brakes when they go wrong. Apologies for the sarcasm but boy they are ALL rubbish! Just avoid them people. When you look at that new bike, don’t be fool buy fancy graphic and bling gear. Bikes cost a lot of money so choose wisely. Ask how much it would be to have Shimano fitted instead and save your self the pain.

Pablo - 12/19/13 - 4:57am

Reynard2ki. This seems to be the new trend here. I am still waiting for the Trek Madone Brake recall notice to show up here. It was announced the same day as the SRAM. I think it affects more actual customers while SRAM is more if you include what is in distribution. I know I shouldn’t expect this to be an impartial website but I hate when things get rubbed in my face.

gravity - 12/19/13 - 11:02am

@Pablo – We already got replacement Madone brakes from Trek. It was a hiccup, but not a major one, especially since removing and installing a new cable-actuated front brake is a whole lot easier than what SRAM is going to make us go through to get their garbage working. Not sure how Trek is working on compensation, though. Will be curious to see, but I imagine it’ll be discounts at wholesale, which is what they’ve done in the past.

bin judgin - 12/19/13 - 11:33am

Do car dealerships act this petty over recalls, or is it just because of the rather elementary education levels of everyone at bike shops?

Dave S. - 12/19/13 - 11:40am

Hello. My name is Shtan Day, I’m the preshident at Shram… at Shram we believe in the power of bishyclesh.

herrow prease - 12/19/13 - 12:05pm

I think this is so amazing that somehow people still by sram products. Like somehow they are still “wanted”. I think the only thing they have going for them is the xx1 group and technically if you watch I am pretty sure those shifters will break as fast as the xx group did. If you are a bike mechanic you now this for the most part. How many sram warranties do you have do deal with? How many shimano? Shimano is an engineering company. Sram is a marketing company.

About Brakes: Sram needs to just give up. Period end of story. Their elixiers sucked, their xx brakes were seriously a major f up and should have been a mass recall just like these. Now these are jacked.

Personally they should have been recalled from day 1 just based on the looks. Those high airplane horizontal stabilizer looking hoods are as ugly as it gets.

You want something built right. Shimano, and campy.

LawyerKnowItAll - 12/19/13 - 12:35pm

Jesus this guy is really beating himself up about this.

hello? - 12/19/13 - 2:54pm

Like SRAM or Shimano it seems like way more shop techs have probs with SRAM than Shimano.

Tate - 12/19/13 - 3:29pm

Good job Stan!!!

TRUELIGHT - 12/19/13 - 4:00pm

Karma’s a B***h!

Took money out the family savings (w/out communicating, bet to beg 4 4give, then ask 4perm)
Bought a set of sram road hydro’s, sold the old red sifter’s & BB7 RSL on E-bay within 2week’s
Money place back in the account with no one being any the wiser,
Now my smartass got a $10,000.00 Gravely bike I can’t ride!

Can't Stop - 12/19/13 - 4:04pm

The only thing Sram/Avid brakes stop is people from having a good time.

Fuzzy_mc - 12/19/13 - 7:21pm

I would love if the only people who commented in this post and others associated with this problem were only the people who actually have the brakes. If it is just to go bash SRAM go elsewhere. I actually have these brakes and have had the issues described prior to both callbacks. All my dealings with SRAM reps/distributors and staff has been great. It will be sorted in the near future. My bike is unusable for the meantime (luckily my cx season is over) but it will be fixed. Bike Manufactures know as much as the PR that is released and are taking steps to recall. Its actually only about 5000 bikes that are in the market, maybe 3000max sold.

Lets just have facts in this post. Use other web forums to SRAM bash.

P.S. I manage a Bike Store and know all the issues with Elixirs and so on. Any brakes I have sent back have been replaced with new ones. Most annoying part is when OE spec bikes with brakes in colours and styles that are not off the shelf units.

Kenny - 12/19/13 - 11:58pm

Good point Fuzzy. SRAM has some of the best customer service in the industry. They answer the phone quickly and are extremely knowledgeable and friendly. More often then not they warranty the product if there is even a shred of doubt about the performance. Props to SRAM for that aspect.

I just think their shop labor compensation strategy needs to be re-evaluated. It’s no fault of the folks fielding support calls. They can only work within the framework laid by SRAM.

gravity - 12/20/13 - 3:01am

SRAM has the best customer service because they absolutely NEED it. If something is wrong with a SRAM product, you call them and they send you a replacement. When something goes wrong with Shimano, you try to figure out what you did wrong.

muf - 12/20/13 - 7:51am

sram just announced by email that they will not replace the brakes by fixed hydraulic brakes for US customers. They will replace them by mechanical brakes, some money, and that’s it.

EU/Asia will get both mechanical in the mean time and either money, either newer hydraulic brakes when those are fixed.

Since the money amount for asia/eu is 150E/$200 (3x to 4x less than brand new brakes), I suspect that if you’re in the USA right now, you’re out of luck and you’ll have to pony up for hydraulic sram brakes that work.

gravity - 12/20/13 - 12:10pm

@muf – For all my criticism of SRAM, I don’t think that they’re so stupid that they’re going to make their customers buy new hydro brakes, especially not when Shimano is, THIS WEEK, shipping it’s new hydraulic Di2 lever. Personally, at the shop level, we already have customers ordering the R785 to replace their SRAM, just figuring that they’ll sell whatever replacement SRAM sends them on eBay to defer the cost. This would turn SRAM’s recall nightmare into SRAM’s death sentence, if they stick consumers with the bill at the very moment when Shimano unveils a superior product.

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