Steel Is Real! Meet The One4All – A Steel Full Suspension AM/Enduro MTB by Caminade

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It’s been a long time since I’ve heard the “steel is real” mantra, but Caminade, a new French MTB brand certainly believes it as they are launching with two steel bikes: the 150mm full suspension One4All, already being raced in the Enduro World Series by Damien Oton, and the Simple Track, a 29er hardtail.  Built by Cyfac, who we most recently covered in March, the One4All and Simple Track will be for sale in the U.S. and Canada come September.  In the meantime, join us after the break for more pics and details.

 

 

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Available in orange, black, white, and blue, the striking paint and curvy lines of the One4All is sure to catch a few eyes on the trail.

 

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The Reynolds tubing, manual brazing and hand polishing of welds not only lend great aesthetics, but Caminade stands by this craftsmanship with an owner to owner lifetime guarantee.

 

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The One4All has a 73mm threaded BB shell and the headtube is 44mm in diameter to accommodate tapered or straight steer tubes.  The cable routing includes stops for adjustable height seatposts and the seatube has an integrated collar for 30.9mm diameter seatposts.

 

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There’s not a lot of detail on the One4All’s proprietary suspension design, but it looks like it’ll keep the center of gravity for the frame low without having to disrupt tubing.  Although most details on the geometry are still forthcoming, they’ve kept the chainstay a respectable 445mm.

 

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The XC minded 29er Simple Track, also available in orange, white, black, or blue, uses the same curvy lines, pretty paint and steel (though a mix of Columbus and Reynolds) tubing as the One4All, as well as retaining the adjustable height seat tube cable stops, 44mm diameter head tube, 73mm BB shell and lifetime owner to owner guarantee.

 

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The Simple Track uses a Syntace x-12 142x12mm thru axle system for its rear dropout and direct mount front derailleur.

 

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The geometry is pretty standard in many ways and should fit most riders; however, I think their sizing leaves a lot of taller riders out (admittedly, at 6’4″ I might be a bit biased here).  The Simple Track only comes in two sizes, both with a 45cm seat tube (59 and 61cm top tubes).  Under their logic you use your seatpost to fit your inseam.  But with that logic, someone with an inseam above 32 inches would be putting an awful lot of stress on both the seatpost and the insertion point into the seat tube, resulting in lost rigidity and power transfer among other things.

Comments

JimmyZ - 07/19/13 - 11:52pm

I wonder if the rear end on the enduro bike allows for a fender. I would like to see a non drive side picture, is there a lower link or is it single pivot? It looks like it’s a full floater shock on a lower link, but the angle of the picture Caminade-one4all-steel-full-suspension-enduro-mtb05-600×399.jpg doesn’t rule out single pivot.
I think that trading off stiffness and power transfer is acceptable for a hardtail, when good standover clearance is desired. The dropper seatpost mounted saddle needs somewhere to drop to, after all. Since steel frames are sold as more compliant, flex from pedaling should be expected, as well. I would like to have a better understanding of how curved tubes, and that particular seat stay / seat tube / mast configuration can affect ride quality on a steel bike.

William - 07/20/13 - 4:01am

The suspension design and the bike look very similar the Ancillotti brand of cycles. I will admit thought that the One4All does look a little bit nicer!

Tywin - 07/20/13 - 4:37am

So nice. Willing to bet people will find the design love/hate. I definitely like it, and having all steel bikes anyway it’d fit in well…

Wojtek G - 07/20/13 - 5:10am

Must as agile as an oil tanker with such this kind of wheelbase…

quentin - 07/20/13 - 5:48am

Hey Wojtek ! you can watch the video here filmed by caminade with their pro rider Damien Oton – not sure it’s an oil tanker ^^
video here http://www.mtb-check.com/megavalanche-story-of-damien-oton/

Aymeric - 07/20/13 - 6:53am

Nice wheels.

Miles Ahead - 07/20/13 - 10:27am

I smell BS!
What’s the point of a steel full suspension frame? Surely you play to the ‘downside’ of steel (weight for a given stiffness). The benefit of steel for bike frames is that because the fatigue life of steel is better than aluminium, you can build flex into the design and make it more forgiving / springy, or whatever you like; the downside is that the frame will likely be heavier than a similar one built from aluminium. You do not want this compromise in a suspension frame which needs to be stiff enough to allow the suspension to do its job and light enough to allow the rider to pedal up hill….
Also why all the curvy tubes? I can sort of buy it in carbon frames, but the strongest and lightest way to build a frame from metal tubes is to use straight ones!
So these bikes will be much heavier than they need to be, or too flexy to be an efficient suspension design. I couldn’t see a weight mentioned in the text…. but I may have missed it….

mike - 07/20/13 - 11:35am

steel frames buckle and the shock is completely exposed to mud and rocks. It needs a fender badly!

JC - 07/20/13 - 1:51pm

I agree, shorter wheelbase should be better for acceleration and handling…. Curvy tubes has perhaps their own interest…. Ask the chief ingenior!

brd - 07/20/13 - 3:26pm

nothing against steel, but “they’ve kept the chainstay a respectable 445mm” would be more or less true for a 29′r, for 26 inch wheels it’s super long!!!

Tim - 07/20/13 - 3:48pm

Yeah, was thinking the same thing as mike. The rear shock shaft is placed right where mud flying off the rear tire gets flung. Like the low CG of the design and high dent resistance of the material, but overall don’t see the point of a steel FS frame, per Miles Ahead’s comments.

Ham-planet - 07/20/13 - 8:15pm

Two counter-rotating links between the front and rear triangle? Looks like an infringement of Santa Cruz’s VPP patent to me.

Bruce - 07/20/13 - 9:55pm

Niner jet9 rdo ripoff!

jonny - 07/20/13 - 10:53pm

Don’t really get this bike either.. Love steel in a HT but from what I understand of the material it would be a drawback in a FS? Also as pointed out before what were they thinking putting the shock there?? Yes I’m sure its because of their suspension design… but if its leaking due to scratches you’re not going to be efficient when its always in the shop getting replaced. Overall however I due give it an A in aesthetics. Because I’m sure they were super worried about my opinion when designing this bike.

Nuno - 07/21/13 - 8:32am

DOUBLE FAIL
1st fail: Frame price = 2190Eur…
2nd fail: http://linkagedesign.blogspot.pt/2013/03/caminade-one-4-all-2013.html

Charles - 07/21/13 - 3:01pm

link

http://caminade.eu/?l=en

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