New SRAM Red – Long Term Review, Part 1: Actual Weights & Install Notes

New SRAM Red review and install notes with actual weights

The New SRAM Red was announced almost a year ago, and since then we’ve put plenty of miles on it on test bikes and on our own complete group.

The technical aspects and updates have been covered when the product was announced, so this two-part review focuses on actual weights, installation and ride review. Long story short, SRAM listened to riders and fixed pretty much everything anyone could complain about. The New SRAM Red is quieter, shifts smoother and the front derailleur works much better. Oh, and it’s anywhere from 57 to 83 grams lighter depending on bottom bracket choice.

UPDATED 1/16/13 – Correct front derailleur cable routing clarified and photo’d.

It all sounded great on paper, but now that we’ve ridden it extensively, let’s see how the claims held up…

ACTUAL COMPONENT WEIGHTS

New SRAM Red crankset actual weights

We tested a standard 52/39 Exogram crankset with GXP spindle in 175mm length. Driveside with rings and spindle is 464g and non-drive side with self-extracting bolt is 137g. Combined weight is 601g. Expect to drop about 50g with a BB30 spindle.

New SRAM Red cassette and chain actual weights

Cassette comes in at 150g for the 11-26 and the chain is 258g with all 114 links.

New SRAM Red shifter brake lever actual weights

Shifter levers came in at 159g (rear shifter) and 157g (front shifter) with shift cables pre-installed.

New SRAM Red front and rear derailleur actual weights

Rear derailleur is 146g, front is 76g and the included chain catcher adds 7g with mounting bolt.

New SRAM Red brake caliper actual weights

Brakes are 128g (front) and 126g (rear).

New SRAM Red GXP bottom bracket actual weights

The GXP bottom bracket with ceramic bearings is 103g.

All parts weighed in within a few grams of claimed weights, although most ended up a few grams heavier than claimed. Complete group as shown here totals 1,911 grams. Of course, you’ll need to add some housing and brake cables.

INSTALLATION NOTES

New SRAM Red review with installation notes on shifter and brake lever set up

If you’ve installed any road group, just about all of Red’s latest group will go together as expected. The key difference is the front derailleur. Their new YAW front derailleur has very specific guidelines for installation, and our PR rep at SRAM made sure to stress the importance of proper set up if we wanted it to work right.

With this group, the FD and chain are the last parts you want to install. Starting with the shifter levers, SRAM’s made setup easy and offers plenty of customization. Clockwise from top, shift cable routing can go to the inside or outside of the handlebar with cable housing channels for both. The shift lever has reach adjust, moving it inboard or outboard. The brake lever also has reach adjust, letting you set it closer to the handlebar. Even with my larger hands, I dialed it in quite a bit from the stock setting. Both of these adjustments should be made before you start setting up the derailleurs and brakes.

Once you’ve got things dialed, SRAM’s grip cover notches in on the top/front to stay in place. We like that the hood covers all the mechanical parts. Contrast this to Shimano’s brifters where the underside is mostly exposed to the elements.

Important note: Be sure to add inline barrel adjusters in the shift cable housing if your frame doesn’t have them on the cable stops. It’s particularly helpful for fine tuning the YAW FD.

New SRAM Red review with installation notes on using a BB30 bottom bracket adapter for GXP cranks

Next, install the bottom bracket and cranks. We received the GXP crankset but needed to install it on a BB30 frame. Fortunately, Wheels Manufacturing’s BB adapter kit came in just in time. It comes with a variety of spacer widths and simple instructions showing what parts to use. I had to try a few different widths and combos to get it just right, and the wave washers let you get it snug with overtightening things. SRAM also makes BB30 and PFBB30 adapters that go into the frame then use a standard GXP bottom bracket rather than just spacing down from larger bearings.

Next, install and set up the brakes and rear derailleur as usual.

New SRAM Red review with installation notes on YAW front derailleur alignment and setup

Now, on to the complicated part. The first steps are to loosely mount the FD on the frame, snugging the bolt enough to hold it in place but loose enough that you can adjust the height and angle. Alignment guides are printed on the cage (noted above with red lines, click to enlarge). First, you set the height so the largest chainring tooth is within the line (photo on right), then you adjust the angle so the lines on the top of the cage so they align with the large chainring. Once those are mostly parallel, you start moving the limit screws to bring it inline with the ring. Because the YAW front derailleur moves in a slight arc rather than perfectly perpendicular to the rings, moving the cage inward with the screw may change the alignment. It may take a bit of time to get it lined up properly, going back and forth between limit screw and angle adjustments.

Once all the lines are in place, double check the height alignment and tighten it down and you’re about 1/3 of the way done.

New SRAM Red review and install notes showing the correct cable routing at the front derailleur clamp

UPDATE: A few readers noted the incorrect cable routing at the FD clamp (shown at left, above). The cable should run over the small tab underneath the cable bolt, which provides the correct leverage over the FD. Our test unit didn’t come with retail packaging or instructions, and we missed this during our initial install. The correct routing is shown on the right. Once corrected, shifting was slightly lighter at the lever, but it shifted properly both ways. If your group seems to be a bit hard to push onto the large ring, double check this first.

For the rest, rather than type it all out, SRAM’s video (at bottom of post) does a good, if too quick, job of explaining the process. I’ve put a few additional notes below the video. It’s helpful to watch it all the way through a couple times before starting, then keep the cursor over the pause button.

New SRAM Red review with installation notes on cross chaining

Take the time to install it properly and you’re rewarded with virtually zero chain rub. We only had the slightest bit of chain/FD cage contact in the small/small combination (right), not something that’s used much during normal riding.

New SRAM Red review and installation notes showing front derailleur yaw position in each chainring

The overall lack of chain rub is largely due to the YAW movement of the front derailleur, which changes the angle of the cage depending on which chainring you’re in. In the small ring (left), the cage is canted outward, sticking out further at the bottom, which follows the chain’s path as it moves down the cassette. In the big ring, it’s virtually straight inline with the chain.

New SRAM Red review and installation notes on lack of chain rub at the front derailleur

Cage shaping prevents chain rub at the extremes of cross chaining. In the big/big combo, there’s no chain rub whatsoever thanks to an indented section at the top of the inside cage plate.

New SRAM Red review and installation notes showing no chain rub with front derailleur in small-big combo

In the small/big combo -something we all use climbing- there’s also no chain rub. While many of us were hoping for an improved trim operation, SRAM knew we didn’t want a faster horse, we wanted to not have to think about trim in the first place.

So, regarding set up, is it really that important to follow the instructions? YES! We’ve ridden a bike that was rushed through installation (not by us) and definitely not set up properly. Front shifting was sub-optimal and the chain rubbed the cage in too many gear combos. Can you adjust it after the fact? Yes, and probably to a point where it would work very well, but SRAM warns that once the set screws are moved from their factory placement, the alignment guides on the derailleur can no longer be used during setup.

New SRAM Red review with installation notes on getting the chain length right

The rest of the installation is pretty straightforward. SRAM recommends putting the chain on the big chainring and big cog (without looping it through the derailleur) then adding two full links. It’s the same for both road and mountain bike drivetrains with the exception of XX1. In this case, it worked out that we had two inner links and one outer, which worked out fine. Better to err on the side of too long. You want to end up with two inner links on the chain’s ends, then install their quick link to complete the circuit AFTER looping it through the derailleurs.

New SRAM Red review with installation notes on cross chaining

The result is proper range of rear derailleur cage movement at both extremes. Once it’s all shifting properly, just bolt on the included chain catcher and pull it toward the chain while tweaking the side mounted adjustment screw until it’s a hair off the chain when in the small ring (see photo at top of post).

This is SRAM’s full install video and runs through it step by step. I noticed one error; when adjusting the front derailleur’s high limit screw while holding the shifter all the way in, it’ll say “then turn it counterclockwise until the outer cage is within 1mm from the chain.” I believe they mean clockwise because you need to bring the cage in toward the chain.

Here are a few other tips and tricks:

  • Have a friend handy. Bribe them with cold beverages if necessary, but it’ll make some parts of this much, much easier.
  • Rear derailleur installation is pretty straightforward, and the cable routing is vastly improved over the first generation Red.
  • Make sure the guidelines on the FD (front derailleur) line up with the big chainring as prescribed in the video. Double check the alignment as you tighten the bolt attaching the FD to the bike, as it’s likely to shift a bit. I ended up loosening and retightening it four or five times before it settled in the right spot. It may take a bit of overcompensation if the derailleur tends to rotate inward or outward as you tighten it into place.
  • Holding the front shifter all the way in while setting the high limit screw on the FD is a pain if you’re working solo, but it’s a key step in making sure there’s no retraction when you let go of the upshift. The video shows what I mean.
  • If you anticipate ever moving the group to another bike, before you adjust anything, take pictures of the front derailleur from various angles showing the limit screw heights and slot position. This should help you put them back pretty darn close to the factory settings and let you get it set up well on a new bike.

Look for Part 2 with riding impressions and performance evaluation soon.

Comments

Ck - 01/09/13 - 3:34pm

So does SRAM provide any way to reset the front derailleur to the factory setup in case you ever need to make any major changes or move it to another bike? Or do they just expect you to go about trying to align it without access to the markings, which seem pretty important.

Canucklehead - 01/09/13 - 4:07pm

Are the crank/chainrings SRAM specific? Or can I otherwise run Shimano drivetrain with the new cranks?

Sprockets - 01/09/13 - 4:37pm

According to the installation instructions on SRAM.com it looks like the preset position is essentially the inner limit screw driven all the way in so the derailleur sits all the way or almost all of the way outboard for installation.

The 2012 Red Crank uses a hidden bolt setup that is not designed to be compatible with Shimano’s DA9000, Ultegra 6700, 105, Tiagra, or Sora rings. The DA9000 rings have a unique bolt pattern and the other ringsets are not designed to work with a hidden bolt. With the right spacer you MIGHT be able to bolt Shimano rings to he Red 2012 cranks.

suede - 01/09/13 - 4:38pm

Fwiw your front der cable is mounted incorrectly.

royalewithcheese - 01/09/13 - 4:41pm

Going to have to agree with Ck, and all they really need to tell us is how many turns out from slammed the limit screws are when the derailleur leaves the factory.

Xris - 01/09/13 - 5:46pm

It’s not a complicated procedure to realign the front derailleur. Upper and lower limits are what you expect with a normal front derailleur and spacing from the top of the big ring is easy to accomplish by centering the FD cage over the centers of the big and small ring.

I had to go through it as the braze-on mount was not at the correct angle to start with and had to redo everything. Very agreed upon the fact that SRAM needs a Just – in – case video on this. Would’ve saved me loads of frustration.

Derek - 01/09/13 - 6:18pm

@Ck: Which markings would you be missing? It’s not like you take them off after installation

@royalewithcheese: It doesn’t really matter where it comes from the factory. You just need to adjust the low limit screw until the lines on the cage line up with the teeth on your big ring.

bin judgin - 01/09/13 - 8:53pm

setting up the FD without the markings is so much easier than SRAM makes it out to be. its slightly easier with the set up stuff, but really its comical how big of a deal they make out of it. it works great, but its maybe 10% more difficult than a regular FD

greg - 01/10/13 - 12:12am

there is only one rotation point/limit screw combination that will put both alignment lines exactly over the big ring. therefore, it doesnt matter how it comes from the factory.
what -suede- said. your cable is misrouted. kind of a glaring fault, especially with some sram dude watching you. there is a distinct groove that the cable sits in. it is over the small notch. almost every front derailleur in the world routes the cable like that, da9000 excepted. and some pre-STI ones when used with STIs

Betty Beige - 01/10/13 - 10:46am

Thanks for the Insight! Most bike shops are not even aware of the rotating FD and they end up (deleted) it up..

Jason - 01/10/13 - 11:33am

Tyler, did you seriously use the term “brifter”

SRAM - 01/10/13 - 3:41pm

Nice review, thorough. One note, it appears that the FD cable might be routed incorrectly. There is a ‘tab’ on the back side of the FD cable anchor bolt and a groove that he cable should lay in. The cable should pass OVER the tab and through the groove. If the cable is routed under the tab, as you have it, your cable-pull ratio will be off, and you will sacrifice shifting performance.

Additionally, we are looking into a simple communication to help folks move or re-install the gruppo.

Alex D - 01/11/13 - 7:40am

The FD is not that hard to get right if you’re any good at setting up front derailleurs. I’ll admit that someone who’s only set up a few derailleurs might get frustrated, but any mechanic that can get some clapped out triple FD working well with wobbily chainrings can set this thing up without reading anything.

The first time I set one up I noticed those guide lines halfway through but didn’t know exactly how they should be used so I didn’t even pay attention to them. I was quite pleased with this derailleur’s ability to trim itself. It’s as convenient to use as Di2. Bit more finicky to set up though.

I was also fascinated for a short time by the ingenuity of the linkage. And amused by the inclusion of the chain catcher standard, especially in light of DA9000′s front shifting. But it’s nice to be secure. I guess they put it in there anticipating people not setting them up correctly. Smart move, and it saves crossers needing to buy another little expensive part too.

Tony - 01/11/13 - 11:19am

Yawn…SRAM is still chasing the standard set by Dura Ace. Keep trying.

Aaron - 01/13/13 - 10:54am

Tony, while I totally agree with you, I still prefer the feel of SRAM levers, and the very direct, mechanical feel of the shifting.

Brett - 01/15/13 - 7:30pm

FWIW, SRAM’s written installation instructions totally blow compared to Shimano’s. When you read Shimano’s, they actually make sense and you can follow along. SRAM’s cryptic pictograms leave much to be desired, especially during some critical steps in RED installation. There’s like no written description, just diagrams that leave some steps out.

It’s sad that a Japanese company delivers clearly written instructions, while SRAM falls down on this.

Tyler (Editor) - 01/16/13 - 5:20pm

All – post has been updated to show correct cable routing and point out the FD tab.

Ed - 04/15/13 - 5:45am

The 52 Sram Red Yaw is available?

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